Doc,

You should no by now not to mess with Jones and Maria.  They are in Rex’s pocket and are operating as his attack dogs.  I have no problem if you want to support Rex.  But, Jones, Maria and couple of others will attack you on a personal level if you post something against their guy.  The only one’s I see throwing mud right now are the supporters of Rex.  Funny how they talk about the attacks Williams “will be” giving!  It is a simple fact that there are several people running for the office of Sheriff.  I look forward to a debat between Rex and the other folks running.  I do know the department is a mess right now and no one trusts anyone right now.  Things are bad and people don’t see it getting better under the current administration unless you are a member of the FOP executive board.

What was so personal about my statements? Doc said he was supporting Dave Williams and that is fine. That’s what makes this Country great. I merely stated a fact; Ely has filed for bankruptcy and has a foresclosure on his record. That’s it. I did not make any personal attack on either man. My point was someone who cannot manage his own budget, should not be in charge of $33 million of taxpayer money. It’s really that simple.

Worker,
I agree with Maria.  No one is attacking anyone.  I don’t care who you support or who Doc supports.  Speaking of attacking.  I think it is obsurd that you would get on here and talk about how people don’t trust each other within the department and unless you are on the FOP board you don’t get treated fairly.  It sounds like you may have gotten yourself into some stuff at work and your co-workers don’t like and trust you.  I know a lot of officers and they tell me a completely different story.  And for the record, I have no clue who Maria is.  So there is no conspiracy of Coffey supporters on this blog.  Maybe one day you can restore your reputation and people will begin to trust you again.

Mr. Jones,

Your post is what I am talking about.  There are problems within the department which have been there for years not just under Coffey.  I have spoken to several officers who I trust and have known for years and they all say there is a problem with trust in the department.  I don’t know the answer to everything and have never said I did!  Your post proves what I am talking about.  You attack me for bring up a point of interest.  And by the way my reputation is great thank you for asking.  You are just showing how people will attack anyone with a thought against your guy!  I support no one and wish someone from outside the area would run!  Someone with a proven past of getting things done without killing the will of the officers.  That’s all I am trying to say.  Take a chill pill.

Worker,
With all due respect, I never had any intention of attacking you or anyone else.  Doc has told us what a great job Williams will do, but he can not or refuses to provide the Williams platform that he supports.  I will tell you the problem you are talking about is not just at CCSO.  We are talking about the thin blue line that has been slowly erased over the years.  Not by administrations but by law makers.  Law makers have made it so difficult to do the job that it is nearly impossible to do it without making mistakes.  Officers don’t cover for each other like they did in the “old days”.  No one is willing to nor should they be expected to do anything but tell the truth.  I know this goes very deep and there is probably much more going on than that.  But if you think that is just in Charles County you are mistaken.  You know, bringing administrators from out of the area has not proven to be too beneficial to Charles County.  Remember Dr. Carter at the BOE.  Remember Paul Comfort and many more.

Worker, how does reporting FACTS make me an attacker? I didn’t say anything personal about Ely or Williams. I just reported facts that are important when deciding who the Sheriff of Charles County should be. Nothing more, nothing less.

Here is a picture of Brian Eley at his son’s college graduation.  If this is how he looks when he is happy, can you imagine how much fun he is to work with?  He looks like a very unhappy person.

Wow, only a few people seem to be engaged in this “debate”. All I see is Rhetoric.

If you are going to make statements that would lead people to believe that you know of reasons someone shouldn’t be elected, then you should back them up with verifiable evidence. If you can’t proove what you say, then it’s just rumor and thusly does not help us decide who we would like to vote for. At least not us who actually want to do our homework and require more than hearsay, rumor or venimous rhetoric.

In the interest of full disclosure - I am not, and have never been a police officer. I have never had any dealings whatsoever with the County government or the CCSO. I have known Dave Williams sice childhood, but have not spoken to him since the late 70’s or early 80’s until this year. I voted for Rex Coffey. I am a Republican. I am a member of the TEA Party movement. I am NOT a terrorist, a racist or some kind of nutcase and neiter are any other members of the TEA Party movement.

I am, however a long time citizen of Charles County and like many local residents I am VERY conserned about the crime in this area. If the crime has actually decreased by 15%, I would be EXTREEMLY surprised as all I seem to hear about (and experience) is a constant increase in crime. Violent robberies, hold ups, muggings and break ins are common place in the western Charles area. After reviewing the record (verifiable evidence) of Dave Williams and making a judgement on his character (based on knowing him as kids and talking to him recently) I think he is a good man. I never met or talked to Rex Coffey, but I am not at all happy with the crime rate in the area now. All things considered, My vote will be going to Dave Williams. Politics is politics. Sherriffs will, do and probably should appoint people to their staff that they know, trust, work well with and who are qualified to perform their duty. I don’t think that should be part of the debate. I am tired of the PARTISAN BS. I want LAW ENFORCEMENT RESULTS! That is MY bottom line.  Oh BTW - I viewed the posted photo of Brian Eley at his sons graduation, Thats the man I want in our Sheriffs Office. If this is how he looks when he is happy, can you imagine how much fun he be for a criminal in Chuck County?

Wow, only a few people seem to be engaged in this “debate”. All I see is Rhetoric. [...] At least not us who actually want to do our homework and require more than hearsay, rumor or venimous rhetoric.

This is from the main Delusional Duck pages, entitled “Some Answered Questions: Dave Williams Testimony at May 12 Budget Hearing.” I suggest if you do want FACTS instead of ‘rhetoric’, you check out the content of that post.

I am tired of the PARTISAN BS. I want LAW ENFORCEMENT RESULTS! That is MY bottom line.

Both Dave Williams and Rex Coffey are Democrats. So anything you hear either say about the other cannot be partisan BS, both are on the same political side of the fence—at least in this election.

As for law enforcement results. Here’s the recently released Uniform Crime Report numbers.

I should have mentioned that the attached document is prepared by both the FBI and the Maryland State Police and indicate BOTH actual crime numbers (on the top half of the sheet) and the “crime rate” that Fred Davis so eagerly touted before—that is the crime numbers in relation to population data.

For Sheriff Coffey BOTH actual crime TOTALs and crime RATE have decreased this last year, and have remained fairly flat the previous years.

Keep in mind, that this has been accomplished with a budget that has yet to be fully funded during his term, and several of the years has had his budget CUT.

I think it speaks greatly of the hard work of the men and women of the Charles County Sheriff’s Office—from the rank and file to the leadership and administration.

The Quack - 22 May 2010 10:47 PM

I should have mentioned that the attached document is prepared by both the FBI and the Maryland State Police and indicate BOTH actual crime numbers (on the top half of the sheet) and the “crime rate” that Fred Davis so eagerly touted before—that is the crime numbers in relation to population data.

For Sheriff Coffey BOTH actual crime TOTALs and crime RATE have decreased this last year, and have remained fairly flat the previous years.

Keep in mind, that this has been accomplished with a budget that has yet to be fully funded during his term, and several of the years has had his budget CUT.

I think it speaks greatly of the hard work of the men and women of the Charles County Sheriff’s Office—from the rank and file to the leadership and administration.

Thanks Quack! That is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Verifiable evidence. Citing sources. Relevent Information, etc. Could you let us know where we can go to do further research. Where did you get that spread sheet? Web sites/links, or FBI/MD State Police contact info?

As far as my statements on partisan BS, there were various comments about TEA Party, Dave Williams changing parties, etc. IMHO, that is not specifically relevent to the capabilities of the candidates. Also, if someone is going to put out information that would call into question someones character (and do it in a way that suggests they know something first hand) then it seems to me that they should either be specific (even if it is impossible to proove) or not mention it at all. I could say right now that any candidate is sneaky. Or unliked by their peers, or whatever! That means NOTHING. (Except maybe how I personally feel about them.)

Quack, you have the thread moving in a good direction and I would hope we can keep it informative, insightful and helpful, rather than a mud slinging outlet… Yea, I know! Mud is inevitable, but not so bad when mixed in with some good, usable info.

BTW - Here is another source I got from the Governors Office of Crime Control & Prevention - Maryland Statistical Analysis Center

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/msac/documents/2009_Annual_Preliminary__UCR_Summary.pdf

Sculpin,

Currently Brian Eley works for the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Office - FACT

Brian Eley is a member of the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Command Staff - FACT

Crime in St. Mary’s COunty is down 6.4% - FACT

The average reduction in crime in Maryland is 8% - FACT

ST. Mary’s County County is below the average - FACT

If this was a report card then the grade would be a D or F - FACT

Charles County crime reduction is 13.2% - FACT

If this was a report card then the grade would be an A - FACT

That nasty look on his face doesn’t seem to help fight crime in St. Mary’s County - FACT

If you want to vote for Dave Williams then you need to switch to the Democratic Party like he did - FACT

If you want to see what Mr. Williams is capable of to wit making false allegations and plan lies, read the Quacks findings that dispute just about everything Mr. Williams said in public.  Maybe you don’t know him as well as you thought you did -  FACT

But no need to worry, Mr. Williams has told members of the CCRCC that if he wins he will immediately switch his party affiliation back to Republican - FACT

He is not running a campaign on what he can do better.  His ENTIRE campaign is about attacks on the current administration and the men and women of the CCSO - FACT

He is just one heck of a great man who deserves to be Sheriff - FALSE

Bill Jones - 23 May 2010 09:16 AM

Sculpin,

Currently Brian Eley works for the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Office - FACT

Brian Eley is a member of the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Command Staff - FACT

Crime in St. Mary’s COunty is down 6.4% - FACT

The average reduction in crime in Maryland is 8% - FACT

ST. Mary’s County County is below the average - FACT

If this was a report card then the grade would be a D or F - FACT

Charles County crime reduction is 13.2% - FACT

If this was a report card then the grade would be an A - FACT

That nasty look on his face doesn’t seem to help fight crime in St. Mary’s County - FACT

If you want to vote for Dave Williams then you need to switch to the Democratic Party like he did - FACT

If you want to see what Mr. Williams is capable of to wit making false allegations and plan lies, read the Quacks findings that dispute just about everything Mr. Williams said in public.  Maybe you don’t know him as well as you thought you did -  FACT

But no need to worry, Mr. Williams has told members of the CCRCC that if he wins he will immediately switch his party affiliation back to Republican - FACT

He is not running a campaign on what he can do better.  His ENTIRE campaign is about attacks on the current administration and the men and women of the CCSO - FACT

He is just one heck of a great man who deserves to be Sheriff - FALSE

Nice rant!

Now can you cite your sources please…?

Sculpin - 23 May 2010 08:47 AM

Thanks Quack! That is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Verifiable evidence. Citing sources. Relevent Information, etc. Could you let us know where we can go to do further research. Where did you get that spread sheet? Web sites/links, or FBI/MD State Police contact info?

[...]

BTW - Here is another source I got from the Governors Office of Crime Control & Prevention - Maryland Statistical Analysis Center

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/msac/documents/2009_Annual_Preliminary__UCR_Summary.pdf

Same site. There’s an excel spreadsheet that lists all the State’s historical data. Download that spreadsheet—along the bottom is a tab for Charles County. To save everyone the work, I printed only that worksheet for Charles County, saved it as a PDF and uploaded it here.

You can verify the data http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm and http://www.mdsp.org/downloads/downloads_intro.asp (2008 UCR is a HUGE file, by the way).

Sculpin - 23 May 2010 10:01 AM

Bill Jones - 23 May 2010 09:16 AM

Sculpin,

[1] Currently Brian Eley works for the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Office - FACT

[2] Brian Eley is a member of the St. Mary’s County Sheriff’s Command Staff - FACT

[3] Crime in St. Mary’s COunty is down 6.4% - FACT

[4] The average reduction in crime in Maryland is 8% - FACT

[5] ST. Mary’s County County is below the average - FACT

[6] If this was a report card then the grade would be a D or F - FACT

[7] Charles County crime reduction is 13.2% - FACT

[8] If this was a report card then the grade would be an A - FACT

[9] That nasty look on his face doesn’t seem to help fight crime in St. Mary’s County - FACT

[10] If you want to vote for Dave Williams then you need to switch to the Democratic Party like he did - FACT

[11] If you want to see what Mr. Williams is capable of to wit making false allegations and plan lies, read the Quacks findings that dispute just about everything Mr. Williams said in public.  Maybe you don’t know him as well as you thought you did -  FACT

[12] But no need to worry, Mr. Williams has told members of the CCRCC that if he wins he will immediately switch his party affiliation back to Republican - FACT

[13] He is not running a campaign on what he can do better.  His ENTIRE campaign is about attacks on the current administration and the men and women of the CCSO - FACT

[14] He is just one heck of a great man who deserves to be Sheriff - FALSE

Nice rant!

Now can you cite your sources please…?

#1 & 2 http://www.firstsheriff.com/administrativedivison.asp

#3, 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8 http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/msac/documents/2009_Annual_Preliminary__UCR_Summary.pdf... if the “average” is 8%, the scale the public school system uses for grades, an average is a ‘C.’ Anything higher than 8% is a grade better than a ‘C,’ and anything lower than 8% is a grade worse than a ‘C’...

#9… I got nothing

#10 If you wanted to vote for Dave Williams in the PRIMARY you would have to be a Democrat, which you’ve already stated you were a Republican. In the General Election, I would hope everyone has done their homework and would vote for the best candidate, regardless of party affiliation, and not solely along party lines.

#11 Dave Williams publicly made these allegations, which turned out to be only partially true—the FACTS are present with the video and his questions. http://delusionalduck.com/index.php/site/comments/some_answered_questions_dave_williams_testimony_at_may_12_budget_heari/

#12 Ask a member of the Charles County Republican Central Committee. But, Dave Williams was reported in the Washington Post that

Williams is running as a Democrat, although he has previously been registered as a Republican and an Independent. He said he thinks the Democratic primary is “where the election will probably be won or lost.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052603623.html

#13 You can go to Dave Williams website, or read his comments in the Independent, Washington Post or St. Mary’s Today. {I’ve attached a PDF from Dave Williams’ site that has all the articles with URL links listed) All his comments are negative about what the current administration is doing while not offering any solutions.

#14 I got nothing.

I’m pretty sure that your comment about having Bill Jones cite his sources was rhetorical, but while his method was more than sarcastic, factually, it wasn’t TOO far off base, minus a couple personal side notes thrown in.

Quack Quote : I’m pretty sure that your comment about having Bill Jones cite his sources was rhetorical, but while his method was more than sarcastic, factually, it wasn’t TOO far off base, minus a couple personal side notes thrown in.

You are right Quack.  It was rather sarcastic. You beat me to the punch.  I was preparing the facts to present.  And again, it would have been a little sarcastic.

Bill Jones - 23 May 2010 06:13 PM

Quack Quote : I’m pretty sure that your comment about having Bill Jones cite his sources was rhetorical, but while his method was more than sarcastic, factually, it wasn’t TOO far off base, minus a couple personal side notes thrown in.

You are right Quack.  It was rather sarcastic. You beat me to the punch.  I was preparing the facts to present.  And again, it would have been a little sarcastic.

No guys, I try not to use rhetoric. As tempting as it may be, I try to MAKE myself do the research and keep things honest, open and real. I seem to be perceived as an adversary and in fact I am just a county resident that wants my vote to be about more than who’s name I see on signs and whos name I hear smeared more (or less).

I genuinly appreciate the responses I get from Quack. Thank you very much. And thank you for keeping it civil.

I went to Dave’s website again and found that he does indeed have a platform of positive things he is running on. He also has some items (by implication) that are against the current administration. It all seems pretty normal to me. Now I am going to go to the Coffey for Sheriff sight and see if that discussion is any different than here.

Sculpin - 24 May 2010 09:55 AM

[... Now I am going to go to the Coffey for Sheriff sight and see if that discussion is any different than here.

I meant Coffey THREAD, not site and especially not “sight”!

OK, I went to the Coffey for Sherrif thread and it seamed to be a little more informative and a little less adversarial. (...a little…)

It seems both threads are dominated by CCSO insiders and not many just plain old average residents like me. Thats probably the reason for the adversarial, confrentational, atmosphere. I can’t really put too much stock in a lot of the “opinion” but I do appreciate the references to the links you guy’s have provided and I’ll probably let you guy’s fight it out here while I move on elswhere. Maybe I’ll check back in once in a while. All the best to you!

This thread should be in the fiction section as the quintessential example of fantasy.  FACT:  Rex is a good guy and as genuine as they come.  FACT:  His loyalty to wholly unqualifed cronies may prove to be his undoing.  FACT:  Rex is a cop’s cop and doesn’t have a clue as to how to run a $60+ million dollar agency.  FACT:  If elected Williams won’t have the same issues, just different ones of equal silliness.

Doesn’t know how to run a $60 million agency? The CCC have continued to come at Rex with their hands out, taking back millions of dollars and yet crime is down? He is doing more with less. There are more cops out there than ever before, and the CCSO has not been authorized a new position since Rex took over. Joe Citizen really doesn’t care who Rex’s Command Staff are, just that they feel safe.

Poor Richard - 25 May 2010 05:17 PM

This thread should be in the fiction section as the quintessential example of fantasy.  FACT:  Rex is a good guy and as genuine as they come.  FACT:  His loyalty to wholly unqualifed cronies may prove to be his undoing.  FACT:  Rex is a cop’s cop and doesn’t have a clue as to how to run a $60+ million dollar agency.  FACT:  If elected Williams won’t have the same issues, just different ones of equal silliness.

What are you using to make a determination that his “cronies” are unqualified?  Do you even know the qualifications of any of his appointees?  Or are you just using the words of Dave Williams to come to this conclusion?  If you have personal experience, tell us just some of the bad decisions made by his “cronies” that would lead you to believe they are unqualified.  Then give us your thoughts on what the qualifications are for political appointments?

This has been a busy weekend for political propaganda.  Here are some of latest messages from the Dave Williams camp.

He has told numerous citizens, who have expressed concerns about the dog shootings involving Deputies that he will not allow officers to shoot dogs.  Unless the Deputy suffers injuries that require extensive medical treatment from an attack he will terminate them.  No exceptions.

He is telling citizens that the current Sheriff bought a $300,000.00 boat.  When he was questioned about that, he said the citizens don’t need to know it was with grant money.  “The details don’t matter”.

He is also telling Deputies that when he is Sheriff he will take care of all their financial problems.  One big problem is he doesn’t tell anyone how he is going to do it. 

He has also promised a current Corporal and a current Private First Class that he will promote them to the rank of Captain.  This will not break his promise to the men and women of the department.  He has only promised to promote from the rank and file.

At a citizen group he promised them that all officers will go back to wearing hats.  Promoting professionalism as the need for hats.  Bet he won’t tell the FOP that.

Williams also told members of the NAACP that he supports a Citizens Review Panel 100%.  He also supports eliminating the use of tasers.  He plans to support legislation that Commissioner Cooper and Braxton plan to introduce, eliminating the use of tasers in Charles County.

A big supporter of Williams who is also a former Captain of the Sheriff’s Office was overheard talking to another supporter of Williams in the hall of the County Government.  He said “it’s a shame Dave doesn’t want to be Sheriff, because I think he would do an okay job.  He just doesn’t want Coffey to be Sheriff”.

How pitiful.

On the way home from Price Frederick on Sunday night, I saw a Dave Williams sign in the front of Toye’s Inn on 231. Glad to see he has the support of one of the most notorious open air drug market’s in this county’s history.

Every day is something new.  I don’t know who he is getting his political advise from, but keep it up!