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Voters Might Cross Party Lines in Nov.

Economics, Historic Nature of Races Cited

Washington Post, by Hamil R. Harris

Lee Rapp is a registered Democrat who votes in every election. But this year, the Greenbelt construction company owner said, he will vote for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) because his own party has little to offer small-business proprietors.
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Yvonne Briscoe, a receptionist at the Briscoe-Tonic funeral home in Waldorf, said she likes the advances women have made, including those of her niece Kim Briscoe, who directs the funeral home.

 


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  • 1. · Here in PA I have run into many democrats that will not be supporting Obama. The Republicans seem more energized than the democrats. The biggest reason I see for this is Obama's lack of experience.

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  06:48 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 2. · 12 percent of the white Pennsylvania primary electorate acknowledged that they didn't vote for Barack Obama in part because he is African-American. To some white voters (14 percent in the CBS/New York Times poll), Obama is someone who as president would favor blacks over whites. Or he's an "elitist," who cannot understand ordinary (read: white) people because he isn't one of them.

    Yeah, it's because of experience.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  07:08 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 3. ·
    12 percent of the white Pennsylvania primary electorate acknowledged that they didn't vote for Barack Obama in part because he is African-American.
    What about the other 88% of the white Pennsylvania primary electorate? Why did/didn't they vote for him?

    Comment by The Quack  on  09/04/08  at  07:41 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 4. · First of all it's 12% that ADMITTED they used race as a factor. There had to be more that didn't feel comfortable acknowledging their own racism.

    Secondly, this is a northeastern state. Imagine the numbers in, say, Alabama or Mississippi.

    I'm not suggesting that if Obama loses it will be entirely b/c of race, but I won't put my head in the sand and say it's all about experience,either.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  07:58 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 5. · "it's 12% that ADMITTED they used race as a factor."

    So can I say that the 95%+ of African-American voters who are voting FOR Obama are doing so because of race?

    We can argue percentages and the various reasons why people are voting for either McCain or Obama all day long, but it won't change the outcome.

    What happens, happens and we have to accept whatever happens regardless of politics....and regardless of race.

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/04/08  at  09:03 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 6. · You can say that, and you might actually be right.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  09:06 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 7. · Its obvious in this country as long as the race baiter's and hustler's can make a living off stirring up racial tensions we will never be free of reasons why we can not get along better. But just what would those numbers have been 40 or 50 years ago? We have come a long way. I wonder if someone keeps records of how many of minorities today are falling into the same trap of disliking people because of race. I think all of us have been the victim of racism of one form or other and some more than others. But lets be real racism will always exist. We all need to become strong and stop whinning and do the best we can and not let crap like this hold us back. The welfare policies of the past has been the driving factor in creating this mess by making people addicted to these handouts and wanting even more. Over the years our families are being assaulted by politicians who will promise and give you anything for a vote but you lose your pride and self-worth by excepting this instead of working hard and making your way for you and your family the old fashioned way "hard work".

    Patriotism, I'm proud to show it each and every day. In this country which is the greatest on earth is the reason we can disagree and do what we want is because of words like Patriotism, honor, valor, hard work, family, religion.
    Our rush to become like clones of France and other progressive utopia's is driving us from becomming who we are, hard working Americans who are better than anyone else on the earth.
    Don't get me started on Al Gore's global warming scare tactics and the the rich folks who support him that no one mentions unless they are rich and Republican.

    Comment by jdman1  on  09/04/08  at  09:50 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 8. · "Our rush to become like clones of France and other progressive utopia's is driving us from becomming who we are, hard working Americans who are better than anyone else on the earth."

    This is true and what is particularly disturbing is that there are so many people, especially those under the age of 30, who have been led to believe that Socialism is preferable to Capitalism.

    Despite our problems, the U.S. has the greatest form of government in the history of the world yet there are those who fail to realize how blessed we are to call this great nation of ours HOME.

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/04/08  at  10:14 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 9. ·
    In this country...the greatest on earth...


    Agreed.

    hard working Americans...are better than anyone else on the earth.


    The arrogance of this statement is staggering and is a huge reason we're hated in many parts of the world, and not just Islamic nations. I'd rather be an American than anything else, but I'm no "better" than the Kenyan farmer or the Chinese business owner or the French school teacher JUST BECAUSE I'm American (notice no hyphenated citizenship for me).

    ...there are so many people, especially those under the age of 30, who have been led to believe that Socialism is preferable to Capitalism.


    Do you have stats on that Cheryl or is it anecdotal? I've worked with literally tens of thousands of young people under 30 who LOVE LOVE LOVE capitalism and all its benefits, but understand that capitalism without ethics, empathy, and a sense of responsibility is evil, plain and simple.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  10:33 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 10. · "capitalism without ethics, empathy, and a sense of responsibility is evil, plain and simple"

    I wouldn't say "evil" but rather unconscionable. As for the under 30 crowd, it's anecdotal and personal opinion. I should have included that in my remarks - I'll have to make sure that in the future, when I say things like this, I have stats/proof or preface my comments with "in my opinion"....(which I usually do btw).

    Be that as it may, I fear this great nation of ours, is headed towards a socialistic society, i.e. more and more government programs and higher and higher taxes including "redistribution" of wealth, another socialist tenet.

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/04/08  at  10:46 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 11. · Check out the following:

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/04/08  at  10:49 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 12. · I agree whole heartily with the post by vox guy in the comment #2.

    No matter how good a candidate is - there are still those sentiments. I hear it from even the "enlightened" and am shocked.

    and to be very honest- if Obama with his light skin, mixed race, being brought up in a white family and having a white male VP cant break thru this type of prejudice- I dont know who can.

    Sounds racist, Im sure, but we all know about the darkness of the skin has an imapct on perceptions, both on whites and balcks.

    Watching his electrifying speech and all the speeches that week leading up to his (with the exception of ol' Al) I was enthrailed- but for some who sat near me- they were seeing the crowd= and the number of Black faces of all hues, hopeful and proud.

    In candor they said "we are voting for him- but just watch the number of blacks who will now take over and rise up.

    Needless to say, havent we gotten anywhere?

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/04/08  at  11:02 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 13. · One thing's for sure: Palin can lie with the best of 'em.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  11:11 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 14. · The same is true for lying Osama, oops I'm Barack Hussein Obama. Here are his lies ENJOY

    >Subject: 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
    >
    > Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 7:00 AM
    >
    > 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON
    >
    >ISSUE
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN
    >BARAK OBAMA
    >
    >Favors new drilling offshore US
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN Yes
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA No
    >
    >Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN Yes
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA No
    >
    >Served in the US Armed Forces
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN Yes
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA No
    >
    >Amount of time served in the US Senate
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN 22 YEARS
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA 173 DAYS
    >
    >Will institute a socialized national health care plan
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Supports gun ownership rights
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN Yes
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA No
    >
    >Supports homosexual marriage
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Voted against making English the official language
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals
    >
    >JOHN McCAIN No
    >
    >BARAK OBAMA Yes
    >
    >CAPITAL GAINS TAX
    >
    >MCCAIN
    >
    >0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does
    not propose
    >any change in existing home sales income tax.
    >
    >OBAMA
    >
    >28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you
    >sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain
    on taxes.
    >If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your
    >home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make
    from
    >your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect
    the elderly
    >who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their
    retirement
    >income.)
    >
    >DIVIDEND TAX
    >
    >MCCAIN
    >
    >15% (no change)
    >
    >OBAMA
    >
    >39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested
    in stock
    >market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement
    accounts,
    >or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying
    >nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president.
    The
    >experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains
    >would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the
    deficit.
    >')
    >
    >INCOME TAX
    >
    >MCCAIN
    >
    >(no changes)
    >
    >Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    >Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    >Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    >Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    >Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    >Married making 125K - tax $31,250
    >
    >OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    >
    >Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    >Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    >Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    >Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    >Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    >Married making 125K - tax $38,750
    >Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!
    >
    >INHERITANCE TAX
    >
    >MCCAIN
    >
    >- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
    >
    >OBAMA
    >
    >Restore the inheritance tax
    >
    >Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that
    have
    >been in their families for generations because they could not afford
    the
    >inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only
    lose
    >them to these taxes.
    >
    >NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
    >
    >New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square
    >feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New
    >taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)

    >New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes
    >to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level
    of medical
    >care as other third-world countries!!!
    >
    > You can verify the above at the following web sites:
    >
    > http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html //money.
    >cnn.com/news/specials/election/2008/index.html>
    >
    > http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html
    >
    > ; http:
    //elections.
    >foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes ;

    >
    > http://bulletin.aarporg/yourworld/politics/articles/mccain_obama_offer_different_visions_on_taxes.

    >html
    >
    >
    >html > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/barack_obama/

    >;
    >
    > http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/
    >
    > ;
    >

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  12:59 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 15. · OMG, sorry theres more!!!
    Lie Hussein Lie!!!!

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/03/30/more-obama-lies-media-will-ignore

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  01:01 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 16. · And the best one yet!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB528

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  01:02 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 17. · This is the part that is absolutely stunning. Obama goes around everywhere telling everyone that he is going to tax the rich and everyone cheers. This chart shows he is flat out lying to the American people. If he rolls back the Bush tax cuts it will be the biggest tax increase in history. A vote for Obama is a vote for higher taxes, plain and simple.
    >INCOME TAX
    >
    >MCCAIN
    >
    >(no changes)
    >
    >Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    >Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    >Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    >Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    >Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    >Married making 125K - tax $31,250
    >
    >OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    >
    >Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    >Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    >Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    >Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    >Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    >Married making 125K - tax $38,750
    >Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  01:24 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 18. · Yes this is stunning - so much for his wanting to increase taxes "only" on those making over $250K - which would still affect quite alot of people in this area.

    But, as with most tax increases on the so-called "rich", they have a tendency to "trickle-down" to the middle class, which is evidenced by the above chart.

    I suppose all those new government programs will be worth it!!!



    LOL

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/04/08  at  01:50 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 19. · http://www.issues2000.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

    Comment by Carl Senior  on  09/04/08  at  01:51 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 20. · So is McCain NOT going to raise taxes, Bruce? I'm not happy about the tax increase that Obama is proposing, either. I still think it's better than the alternative. But that's just me.

    And why the Obama/Osama, Hussein talk?

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  01:51 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 21. · Back in the early to mid 60's, long ago for many of us and not so long for others, a lady by the name of Dixon said a false prophet would come out of Africa and rise to power at the turn of the century. Obama??? Some of the finer things she forcast are not there for Obama but there are also a lot of things that match up. Now I certainly don't buy into people that claim to see into the future but in this case I wonder??????? Then agin maybe it is all just happenstance. One world one order, all who do not see follow blindly.

    Comment by iknow  on  09/04/08  at  02:54 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 22. · No, McCain is not going to raise taxes!

    But I also need to remind our readers that any Corporate income tax increases that Obama talks so frequently about will result in the same increases to ALL people.

    Here is a hint: Corporations could care less about how much they pay in taxes, EVERYTHING is passed on to the consumers. Just watch the next Obama speech and you will see his followers giving a standing ovation when he speaks of additional taxes on corporations. These people have no idea about what they are cheering for. While Obama's rhetoric sounds good, it is very bad for the economy.

    The only difference between Obama and Osama is a little bs.

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  02:56 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 23. · Well said Bruce!!! At last someone has done the homework to expose the "man of change"
    Keep up the good work

    Comment by iknow  on  09/04/08  at  03:04 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 24. · Sorry Brucie. The viral, chain email that you cut and past all your info from has been almost entirely debunked.

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html

    Nice try. Maybe you should stick to the racist, fearmongering Obama/Osama/Hussein lines. They seem to fit your personality much better.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  03:17 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 25. · Ha, are you kidding me? Your fact check website used Obama's website to check the facts. Looks like my "racist, fear-mongering" as you so eloquently refer to me as is correct as usual. To quote Malcolm X - "wrong is wrong"

    Voice Over, please get your facts straight before posting. Your racist attitude towards McCain is alarming and your giving us true conservatives a bad name.

    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  03:40 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 26. · Fact check used Obama's website as ONE reference, not the only reference, Bruce. If they had only used Obama's website, I would have ignored it. But they didn't.

    Going forward I'll be sure not to pay attention to anything you post. You have no credibility. You cut and paste whatever arrives in your inbox and regurgitate it on cue. You're a partisan ideologue and a fearmonger.

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/04/08  at  03:46 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 27. · Bruce is making progress...he's quoting Brother Malcolm!

    Comment by harry-meanwell  on  09/04/08  at  04:26 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 28. · Bruce, if you had left comments such as these on Delusional Duck before the election, I never would have voted for you.

    Comment by TWD  on  09/04/08  at  06:28 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 29. · Such shrillness, such sneering, what is a person to say? Some of the comments in this thread come across as sadly juvenile, even worse, intent on character assassination.

    Everyone is of course entitled to his or her opinion, but for heaven's sakes, adults who wish to contribute to the health of the nation or even just the community have a responsibility to make sure that their opinions rest on facts, and also in this age of the internet to exercise reasonable caution to ascertain that their sources are reliable. There's a lot of garbage out there and scurrilous nonsense.

    However, I realize that a civil approach is not attractive to anyone whose aim is merely to have fun at the expense of others or, even worse, to circulate calumnious information, presumably in the hope that someone out there will find it credible. Sad.

    And while bona fide humor is enjoyable, Bruce, your silly little bit about the difference between Obama and Osama was at best distasteful. Not cute at all, and clearly intended to create a negative image.

    As for our being a capitalist society, yes, we are, but over many decades we have thank goodness had the sense and compassion to temper capitalism with a wide variety of programs to remedy social ills. One of the foremost was Social Security, going way back to the 1930s. Think also of unemployment compensation to prevent persons from sliding into poverty while temporarily out of a job or Head Start, an enormously effective program that demonstrably makes a difference in youngsters' ability to keep pace once in school. Programs like these would have collapsed if the American people did not see any value to them.

    It's odd that the word "socialism" is still a dirty word for some people. I don't know of any country that has pure socialism any more than we have pure capitalism. Throughout the industrialized world, nations show a blend of these two isms. Sweden for example may be regarded by many as a soclalist system, but in fact capitalism -- business and industry -- are flourishing there just fine. (Think of Ikea and Volvo.) There are any number of other examples. I think one of the triumphs of the modern world is the capacity of people of different cultures and forms of government to craft workable systems that reward initiative and yet provide for the common welfare.

    Comment by sibyl  on  09/04/08  at  06:56 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 30. · Bruce. ... please check you facts. You're all wet.

    Comment by willton  on  09/04/08  at  08:14 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 31. ·
    Fact check used Obama's website as ONE reference, not the only reference, Bruce. If they had only used Obama's website, I would have ignored it. But they didn't.


    I just got back from some community organizing.

    Voice Over, either you can't read or you totally glossed over fact. Once again I have to make you look stupid in front of your liberal friends. Listed below is a direct copy of the references you claimed used his website only one when in fact it used it three times to debunk more than 20 statements. The Bookings Institution is the most left leaning liberal think tank out there and didn't Maria Bartiromo sleep with someone to get where she is now?

    For once Voice Over, give me a credible reference that proves my statements wrong. At least we were even able to use the most left wing paper in America to prove us right. You are losing your credibility quickly. Make me smile but don't make me feel sorry for you.

    Brooks Jackson


    Sources
    “Background Questions and Answers on Health Care Plan.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.

    “Energy and Environment. “Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


    News Release: “CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo Speaks with Senator Barack Obama on CNBC’s “Closing Bell.” 27 March 2008. CNBC Web site.


    “Plan to Strengthen the Economy.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


    Tax Policy Center: Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. “A Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans,” 20 June 2008


    Comment by Bruce Wesbury  on  09/04/08  at  08:46 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 32. · I think it is time for me to bid you all farewell.

    I love discourse and hearing others' opinions and exchanging ideas but I cannot keep coming back and reading the hateful and at times racist rantings of lunatics. If the lunatics don't know who they are, then at least the others do.

    Quack - I'll return if certain elements reform or leave. Thanks.

    Comment by harry-meanwell  on  09/04/08  at  09:03 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 33. · sibyl- great posting, thanks...I get so I cant even think how to rebut such ignorance and lack of care for the community.

    Maybe folks dont know they sound that way- but really- do we have to try to intiminate that Obama is a Muslim Fundamuinilst terriorist.

    Its this kind of talking, that I am sure no one really beleives, that keeps hate alive and keeps the nation from coming together.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/04/08  at  09:33 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 34. · This blog has become a pit of vipers, an amen corner for the GOP with no desire to discuss real issues with real facts as it relates to national politics and at times even local issues. Anonymous, unsourced chain emails are cut and pasted and recited as gospel and when thoroughly debunked, are defended blindly. The veiled (and at times not so veiled) racism and blatant fearmongering by some of the posters here is a life-sucking, energy draining, Bataan death march some days that ultimately just isn't worth it. Far too much is at stake over the next two months to spend even a single minute my time in virtual discussion with closeminded ideologues with no desire for truth and civil discourse. I'd rather spend my time discussing and debating with people who can support their arguments with something other than "this email I got says he's a America-hatin' Muslim. It MUST be true!"

    "Good night and good luck."

    You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
    Malcolm X

    Comment by voxoverguy  on  09/05/08  at  05:57 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 35. ·
    This blog has become a pit of vipers, an amen corner for the GOP with no desire to discuss real issues with real facts as it relates to national politics and at times even local issues.

    voxoverguy - if you are disillusioned with comments and posters on this thread - fine. Do not condemn the entire blog. I take great offense to that generalization.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck as CCCitizen and, unless otherwise stated, any opinions expressed are those of my own.

    Comment by Pauleen Brewer  on  09/05/08  at  06:06 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 36. ·
    voxoverguy - if you are disillusioned with comments and posters on this thread - fine. Do not condemn the entire blog. I take great offense to that generalization.
    My feelings exactly!

    Comment by Sammy  on  09/05/08  at  06:31 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 37. · If you know that your message isn't going to be received and is going to be tenaciously attacked with unreasonable arguments, then why enter the debate?

    Its like when my kids are bickering -- I tell them to ignore one another and the arguing stops. The one is feeding off of the other's reaction, it has nothing to do with the facts or validity of an argument.

    I'm not saying that this topic shouldn't be discussed, or debated. In fact, I think that it NEEDS to be discussed and debated, but I haven't joined in because of the immature bantering on both sides. Debate has been replaced with juvenile personal attacks, underhanded comments - true or not - that aren't about the facts of an argument, but are about demeaning the person with an alternative view.

    I said before that I wouldn't censor anyone based on their opinion -- and I'll stand by that, but nothing is preventing you all from censoring them yourselves.

    If someone is making comments that are offending to you, don't read it. If you do read it and know that your reply is going to generate the type of response that I'm now referring to, don't feed in to them by arguing point for point with them. It's just like my kids arguing in the backseat -- that's what they want.

    Comment by The Quack  on  09/05/08  at  06:47 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 38. · You're right Quack...

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/05/08  at  06:53 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 39. · Jeanne Dixon predicted he would come from Eqypt not Africa.

    I am another one sho doesn't like Obama.

    I don't trust him for a couple reasons but it's because he reminds me of Hitler and those who followed him blindly.

    Hitler had an entire nation that hanged on his every word. The youth were in love with him, the men & women followed him and he started out in the same way- a great speaker who promised everything.

    That is why I am nervous. I don't like/can't stand McCain. I wanted to vote for Hillary- she still is/was the best leader and just because she was forced to endorse Obama- it was only because she had no choice...
    I don't like a 2 party system this time go around it really shows how broken politics has become.
    I am sitting this one out for sure.

    Comment by Diane Edge, (AKA gizmo123)  on  09/05/08  at  06:59 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 40. · Why enter the debate? Indeed why. There are always any number of important, even necessary, things to do in life. However, think about this. If a person become aware of an element within one's own community that is pernicious -- given to derogatory comments about race or religion -- should that person shrug his shoulders and do or say nothing?

    In the 1930s, the citizens of Germany remained oddly passive about what was happening and were by and large silent in the face of assaults on the Jews and other minorities. At first it was at the level of talk and oratory, much of which fed on existing biases and perceived grievances. But all too soon it turned into vicious action on a monumental level.

    Folks, vigilance is the price of liberty.

    Comment by sibyl  on  09/05/08  at  07:52 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 41. · I forgot to add one comment. Since I referred to Hitler myself, I meant to add that comparing the public support he got with the excitement that Mr. Obama generates is, well, specious. There's no reason whatsoever to think that the candidate has any despotic aims or that his world view is based on oppressing anyone's rights. On the contrary, he evidences a robustly democratic spirit and a deeply felt respect for others, even for those who might disagree with him.

    In the heat of a presidential campaign, each candidate inspires a great deal of uncritical acclaim within the party. You saw it at last night's events in St. Paul. Even the most commonplace rhetoric brought people to their feet. For that matter, look at the fierce level of dedication a Ron Paul gets. With time, the voting public sorts it out and decides who is likely to be the best leader for the times. History will say if the choice proves a good one, but meanwhile I don't see Americans suspending judgment to view a presidential contender as some sort of savior who merits blind obedience.

    Comment by sibyl  on  09/05/08  at  08:24 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 42. ·
    This blog has become a pit of vipers, an amen corner for the GOP with no desire to discuss real issues with real facts as it relates to national politics and at times even local issues.

    Comment by voxoverguy on 09/05 at 05:57 AM


    voxoverguy. It is my view that this blog is about making a lot of unfounded and false personal attacks toward our County Commissioners. And each and every time someone attempts to stand with our Commissioners they also become the victim of such attacks. The little ducks here want it one way and don't want to hear anything positive about our Commissioners and what they are doing for the rest of us who really appreciate them. If the little duck don't like Charles County then move to another county. We're sick of hearing you're crap.

    Comment by jandell  on  09/05/08  at  10:44 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 43. · snake

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/05/08  at  10:47 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 44. · jandell nailed it.
    It is my view that this blog is about making a lot of unfounded and false personal attacks toward our County Commissioners.
    That's exactly what this blog is about.

    Comment by The Quack  on  09/05/08  at  11:10 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 45. ·
    It is my view that this blog is about making a lot of unfounded and false personal attacks toward our County Commissioners.

    I took this to heart, as I have often lambasted the commish, so I went back and looked at as many comments as I could from the past 6 months. The overwhelming majority were fact based and very specific. Those speaking out against the commissioners tended to point out very specific events, incidents, dollar amounts, etc. when criticizing this administration while the few supporters used very broad characterizations to defend them. I stand by my comments and continue to believe that the Duck is relavent and timely.
    This blog has become a pit of vipers, an amen corner for the GOP with no desire to discuss real issues with real facts as it relates to national politics and at times even local issues.

    Since when are fiduciary irresponsibility, opaque government, transportation improvements, jobs, the environment, over-development, diminished water resources, etc. not real issues?

    Comment by Birdman  on  09/05/08  at  11:43 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 46. · This blog is partially about uncovering the truth about our local government, not "unfounded and false personal attacks".

    Any "rumors" are always "reported" as such...everything else is based on fact.

    As for "personal attacks" I've only seen a few jokes here and there about some of the Commissioners - nothing "false".

    Gee, ALL politicians are the butt of jokes - look at what the late night show hosts (Leno and Letterman) say about the President and those running for President...that's just all part of of politics, has been and always will be...

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/05/08  at  11:44 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 47. · Absolutely Birdman....most, if not all, of the comments (except for a few jokes scattered about) are FACT BASED.

    I suppose some who support the Commissioners are unwilling to accept the FACT that there's a heck of a lot of BAD "decisions" regarding how taxpayers dollars are spent, the complete and utter disregard for the environment (CCC extension), and the "plans" for an unprecedented amount of development (THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of new homes) within the next decade regardless of our depleting water supplies --all indicative of irresponsible "leadership"...

    Nothing "personal" - just facts....

    Comment by cheryl  on  09/05/08  at  11:59 AM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 48. · again sybil- when did you start posting? I never noticed your name before- but on this topic I cant agree more.

    It seems you and vox have tried to get truth out and to urge people to monitor our community and country.

    Open debate is great- and blind obiedience to a cause is very troublesome- to me and many others.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/05/08  at  12:01 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 49. · Is typically the case in most situations, the blog is neither all one thing nor all the other. Have there been unfounded accusations and personal attacks made? Sure, and plenty of them. Have there been many factual entries posted here, including "breaking stories" that hadn't reached the public yet through other media? Absolutely. Tons of them.

    What I really haven't seen much of is the supporters of the commissioners getting attacked in the way they claim they have. I have noticed that many who support the commissioners show that support not by speaking to the successes of the commissioners but by attacking the veracity of the blog and its participants. Really, when the predominant opposing opinion is "You all suck!" how do you expect to be received?

    Also, regarding this comment:

    If the little duck don't like Charles County then move to another county. We're sick of hearing you're crap.


    This is one of the more interesting comments I've seen. Not only does it promote the invidious sentiment that those with a differing opinion should literally leave (and you complain about intolerance on this blog?), but it makes the absurd assertion that the county commissioners are Charles County. A negative opinion of the commissioners is not tantamount to a negative opinion of the county. The majority of the people here who speak passionately against the policies and decisions of the commissioners love this county as much as anyone.

    Comment by mbillard  on  09/05/08  at  12:06 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 50. · And its not just partisan views. While many of the 'Duck' regulars lean more to the right, they express many of the same concerns that the 4th & 5th Districts Democratic Club have expressed.

    Odd.

    Comment by The Quack  on  09/05/08  at  12:15 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 51. · thats one reason I ask those to not discuss things from a party perspective- but to put aside whether they identify themselves as democrat or republican- and discuss issues.

    We are all citizens, have family of one sort or another, have human feelings and needs and want a great community and Country we can be proud of.

    When the party line gets in there- then "attacks" seem to happen.

    Just as you say, Quack- the kids squabbling to have the last word or look.

    formerly known on the ‘Duck’ as spirit of the elder & BJGoodwin

    Comment by Barbara  on  09/05/08  at  12:43 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 52. · From Sibyl in post #41:
    On the contrary, he [Obama] evidences a robustly democratic spirit and a deeply felt respect for others, even for those who might disagree with him.

    In the heat of a presidential campaign, each candidate inspires a great deal of uncritical acclaim within the party. You saw it at last night's events in St. Paul. Even the most commonplace rhetoric brought people to their feet.

    This is indicative of a partisan political viewpoint. Candidate Obama's statements evoke in Sibyl a positive reation based on the first quote above while candidate McCain's proclaimations are reduced to "commonplace rhetoric." What makes us different is what we hear when the candidate speaks. IMHO, both candidates have some very valid points but my greater concern is not so much with campaign promises (because we all know they are "hot air") but with the underlying character of the candidate or the plan to "pay" for any changes to the current way of doing business. I'm worried that the voting public just watches the flowery speeches at the conventions and makes a decision based on that or the "attack ads" on television. Regardless, I, like Sibyl, hear things with an ear tuned by my life experiences and I have chosen to support the GOP candidate for reasons that are my own. On this blog, I am afforded the opportunity to share those reasons but in no way do I believe that I'm going to change the minds of anyone who has fallen under the spell of Barack Obama. I may want the big slice of cheesecake but what my body might need is a spoonful of cod liver oil. For those that don't like analogies, Obama sounds good but the country needs McCain / Palin.

    Comment by Birdman  on  09/05/08  at  12:49 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
  • 53. · Continue the discussion on the Forums here.

    Comment by The Quack  on  09/05/08  at  01:23 PM | [Back to Top] | [Back to Main]
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